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‏@BruceFaulconer Thanks everyone for the recent tweets about DragonBall Z. ......
Topic Started: Jul 28 2015, 01:08 AM (6,910 Views)
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Thanks everyone for the recent tweets about DragonBall Z. It would be great to participate in more DBZ!


and this interview was just released today

hopefully there is some chance he can return for dragon ball super :toj: :toj: :toj: :toj:
https://twitter.com/brucefaulconer/status/593428962199535616

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Bruce Faulconer's music is overrated in my opinion. I really didn't feel his music was appropriate for some scenes and made the English dub of Z seem even more kid-like.

I personally wish we could get Kenji Yamamoto again, but I know that's not happening.
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It would be great to participate in more DBZ!

Well, I can say for certain he's not going to get anywhere near Super. I could maybe see him doing replacement scores for video games whenever the rights to the OST can't be acquired, but even that seems rather unlikely...
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lets keep the debates civilized my last thread on this topic got locked because people were being so immature LOL, its cool to disagree but keep in mind we;re just talking about a tv show
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I would very much enjoy hearing Faulconer's music again. I thought it was actually very good, helped carry some scenes better than the original soundtrack at times. It was a bit sad that the original music got shafted, but Faulconer did a much better job than you'd expect.

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lets keep the debates civilized my last thread on this topic got locked because people were being so immature LOL, its cool to disagree but keep in mind we;re just talking about a tv show

A thousand times this.
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There are plenty of times in DBZ where his music was simply awkward (scene transitions, etc.).

But then there are times where it was spot on and superior to anything else that could have been there. Usually themes to specific characters (Like Cell, Vegeta, Piccolo, etc.)

Granted this is music. So it's all based on opinion
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My Dear Melancholy,

This the guy from Funimation back in the day right?

Don't think he's fit for Dragonball to be honest . Talented musician but just not Db Imo.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I don't know whose doing Super's music right now, Kikuchi or otherwise but I hope they start kicking it up. I'm sorry, the music in Super is just...average and typical. It's basically the "insert cliche music" kind of thing. Need a tense sense? Cliche tense music. Need some happiness? Cliche happy music. They're not bad and its not like I can expect each song to be unique and original...which didn't stop series like Cowboy Bebop or Hellsing 2003.

And the thing is, the Japanese score does have some damn good songs. Spirit vs Spirit, dan dan Kokoro Hikareteku, Tapions Flute (Original), Pretty much anything composed by Hironobu Kageyama. You hear all this kind of music and its awesome. It sound wonderful, it's kickass, Gohan transforming against Cell while certainly has some memorable music in English, just doesn't come to the original Japanese. Helps that the original isn't talking either.

There's some song, I don't know what it is that plays during the Kid Goku vs Krillin fight in the tournament and its epic. It creates a great environment. It makes it memorable and that's what good music should do. The original Japanese music has many great specific parts be it for the anime, games, etc. But when it comes to the main score of the anime, goodness it just falls flat.

I would bet you so much that if you sat down a person who hated everything Bruce Falcouner did and loved everything about the original Japanese score (minus those select bits I talked about) they would still remember the former more. Why? Because people will honestly remember something that has specific and unique style to it that gives it a memorable taste whether good or bad, over something which is average and does not stray from its typical borders.

It's the same thing with movies. You can have a terribly bad B-movie with horrible special effects and everything. But if you compare that to an average film that's certainly far better but doesn't add any oomph or memorability to it, then people will still remember the horrible move more.
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The thing with Bruce that I didn't catch when I was younger was that he didn't allow silence. There is literally no scene that doesn't have music. Certain scenes need silence

He didn't capture the true emotion well enough for some of the scenes. Like ssj goku and vegetas themes are badass and epic but the music should be foreboding.

His songs were amazing though. I still listen to them when working out or getting ready for the gym sometimes lol. Those songs get my blood rushing
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How is Bruce memorable? Can't honestly remember more than 4 songs that his COMPANY (not Bruce himself) did.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

You can ask the vast majority of English fans if they prefer Faulconer or Kuchiki and I'll guarantee you that they'll say Faulconer.

Heck, ask the majority of the Japanese music fans if they prefer Yamamoto or Kuchiki and I will bet you my house that will still prefer Yamamoto's music more.

Because both Faulconer and Yamamoto, plagiarizing or whatever aside, has two things going for it. One of them I've already mentioned. Their music is memorable. Whether or not you think that's true, sorry, welcome to the minority. Everyone else though, fans or otherwise can easily see that the not only do they have a specific style that stands out from the rest of the blandness (especially Faulconer) but each of them (especially Faulconer) puts unique twists and traits so that each song comes out different from the rest. It literally gets to the point where for Bruce,almost every scene involves completely new music.

And people love that. You'll read a lot of times that Kuchiki is just the same bland music recycled over and over again. They want the music that expands beyond the bland and general territories that you hear all the time.

But there's another reason that people love Yamamoto's music.

It's modern. Kuchiki's music might have worked in the 90s when it was first composed but this is the 2010s now. We're about 25-30 years ahead of what Kuchiki did in the past. We're in the modern times where tastes in music have changed and a good series will come to address those points. They may keep a style from the past but no how to implement modern settings to better fit with said modern times.

Hellsing 2003 and Cowboy Bebop are great examples of this. They utilize a very clear Jazz-like style which in our modern times, believe me is not the most popular thing. But with its additional music points that give it a more modern feel, it becomes far more entertaining because it has not only a tune that people relate to but also a unique trait that helps it to stand out from the rest of the bland stuff being thrown at us.

What do you think is going to happen when you chuck something from the 90s to the modern times? It's not going to have the same effect it did in the past because that style and type of music isn't what's popular now. Bruce Faulconer's usage of techno and synthesizers is still popular. In fact I would say that this type of music has become even more popular than it has before. Techno, dubset, whatever you people want to call it. This is what is popular now and its what people like.

There's no problem with having an orchestrated theme and an orchestrated score can be just as epic and incredible as these techno themes being thrown out. But if you can't give it that modern touch, the modern audience will not care.
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English fans? Sorry I'm more concern with Korean fans. Whom of which agree that Original was more iconic compared to modern stuff(Super and BoG) . Don't know about Kai though since it was praised about same. I believe in Japan that the original BGM is so memorable that it's constantly remixed into the video games, Modern DB(Super has remix tracks I think), and OVAS. Hell the original composer work is so admired he cost too much for DB to use him for new music. So you might lose your house .

You'll read lots of time Bruce Production suck, Ocean replacement sucks, Mega man music in DB sucks, German dub porn music sucked, and Linda Young > Ayers (Ikr). You'll read lots of things. Doesn't make the majority opinion.

Maybe in United States of America The Red White and Blue it'll be memorable due to nostalgia but don't underestimate how big the original OST was WORLDWIDE. Besides Ginyu Transformation or Vegeta themes what theme is memorable? I'm not even comparing the quality. Play Bgm original with Dbz and then play Bruce with Dbz. They'll probably only remember what music they overall prefer or the s***tiest of the two(like unbearable). In the great USA I'm not shock if Bruce is memorable for both reasons. But other places. It's a toss up. Examples being Korea, Japan, Some Latin American countries, and Africa countries.
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Quality of his work being whatever it is, it doesn't matter. FUNimation doesn't replace BGM in their dubs anymore. It's an archaic practice that's dead and has been long abandoned by any half-decent dubbing company.
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Yeah idk if he'd do anything for Super, though I prefer his music. It was kewl. :toj:
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"I am the bone of my sword."

People may have different tastes but what is true is the modernization of the world. If you can't keep up then you're bound to fail. You may recall that Kai did not start out with Kuchiki's theme despite the fact that they could easily have used it. In fact, if Kuchiki's music was just as good, why not just use something that is so called great already and use it instead?

Why waste the time in getting someone to compose entirely new songs when you can as easily get something that is already out in the open ready to use?

Call it picking at straws or whatever if you wish but I believe the answer is very simple and its one I've stated already. No matter how good Kuchiki's score is, the modern audience will always prefer the modern points in life. The same way that the world constantly evolves and progresses and things like conservatism falls and declines.

At this moment, techno, synthesis, dubstep, pop, hip hop, etc. All of these is what is popular and well known within the modern times. Having something modern is something that is key to success. You think I'm merely talking about the USA? Look around the first world countries where things like anime are directed at and what do you see? Do you honestly see the type of score Kuchiki being made popular?

No.

Because at this moment, Kuchiki's score offers us nothing. It may be a good score and there are indeed some memorable songs on there but those songs are memorable because they can relate back to a modern audience. His score is unfortunately basic, nothing more or less than what you'd expect from any other series that you've seen countless times.

His score offers nothing unique that can break us away from the typical aspects that we know today. Right now, things like synthesizers are popular so by all means people enjoy something different. But just because you make something different doesn't mean it'll work. Kuchiki's more orchestrated score is definitely a change from the more techno-oriented era that we live in now.

But unfortunately, its only in the most basis sense. You can't stray away from that modern setting. Kuchiki's music is unfortunately set in that stagnant time of the 80s and 90s. Interesting tidbits in history but not something that works today.

That is why Bruce Faulconer will always be more memorable. It's not about whether people like it more or not, its simply the fact that at the very least, it can be addressed by a modern audience. Certainly one day this will change. Modern tastes will change. Who knows, maybe the type of score Kuchiki does will become popular in the modern times.

But that can only be guessed.

Kuchiki's score offers little modern touches that the modern audience likes and in a world where progression matters, lacking this trait hurts it most of all. The traits it does have though don't shine out either. There are orchestrated themes that really build up and shine out and they so do again because they can combine both their unique traits and the modernization of the world.

If Kuchiki's theme could do that, then by all means it would probably be far more memorable than Yamamoto or Faulconer because it would be able to relate not only to the modern audience but give it a unique twist as well. The same way Cowboy Bebop does with its music.

Instead, you have something outdated from the past. A curious piece of history.


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